Monday, December 21, 2015

drunkenPM Radio - Episode 1 - Shane Hastie, John D. Cook and Troy Magennis

I've changed the way I am doing the interviews and putting the podcasts together. So, this is a bit of a test and any feedback would be greatly appreciated...

Part 1 - Interview with Shane Hastie on Hybrid Agile models, Business (Organizational) Agility and Bimodal.

Part 2 - Interview with John D. Cook and Troy Magennis on data literacy, what we should be looking at and finding the multiplying factors to help us increase productivity.

Any feedback (good, bad, whatever) would be greatly appreciated. You can reach me at or

Following a suggestion from Derek Huether, I'm including some notes (below) to moments in the interviews you may find of interest.

Some info on the interviewees:
Shane Hastie on LinkedIn and Twitter
Troy Magennis at FocusedObjective or on Twitter
John D. Cook can be found on his website, or on Twitter.

Shane Hastie Interview

Podcast Overview 00:44
Shane Interview Start 02:14
Opening question on hybrids, organizational agility, and bimodal 02:32
Will Hybrid models continue to exist 03:31
Letting Infrastructure off the hook  03:50
Why knowledge workers aren’t off the hook 04:25
Infrastructure example to explain where you need traditional and where you need agile 05:00
Where you need incremental roll out without iterative change 06:05
The  PMP / Architect Happy Dance 07:00
The Agile people are all spitting on themselves 07:24
Launching a new product example 07:50
Learning is everything - you want Lean Startup 08:10
Knowing when to stop pivoting 08:50
Agile is spot on - Learning and Adapting 09:10
The goal is not agile, the goal is learning 09:30
Are we making progress 09:58
Throwing down the Agile banner 10:21
Agile is just a set of tools and a nice brand 10:40
We are still addicted to waterfall 11:00
People have been successful in the old way or working 11:25
There are not many pathological managers out there. 12:05
Helping them see that the global paradigm of business has changed 12:20 
Finding the right combination of techniques and practices12:35
Packing agile brands 12:50
Can you design a new insurance product with TDD 13:19
What about the people who do not recognize that the business paradigm has changed 13:41
The pace of change is increasing 14:30
Cultural Change Officer 14:43
People don’t resist change unless they can’t see the benefits 15:00
Finding the personal win 15:40
Defining (Organizational) Business Agility 16:40
Bimodal 17:45
Leveraging skill and knowledge of people in your organization 18:33
Practices designed to fill the gaps in Agile 18:50
Shane’s favorites from the Agile 2015 19:40
Defining value for organizations 12:08
Teaching the organization 21:00
If we could all be Sweden… 21:50
Wrap up 22:00

John Cook and Troy Magennis Interview

Intro 22:35
Are we data literate enough? 24:05
experiments and lean startup 24:34
Using legacy charts we don’t understand 15:00
Bing addicted to bad data in legacy charts 25:20
How do we help them see the right data 25:50
What should we measure and look at 26:23
Working on multiple projects 26:35
How much work are we doing 27:00
When they ignore what the data tells them 27:30
The chronic problem of multitasking 28:00
Extreme examples from academia and leveling 29:22
Tools fostering dysfunction 29:50
How do we teach them to ask for better stuff 30:25
We knew this stuff and we threw it all away 31:00
Agile and the laws of physics 31:15
Probability in the future 31:30
A predictable environment  vs rolling dice 32:15
How long will things take 32:40
Creating / Defining a stable team 33:00
Tracking interruptions per week: 33:23
Helping hem understand why interrupts are bad by visualizing it 34:20
Understanding the difference between what you do and what the tool says you do 35:25
Interrupting managers v interrupting programmers 35:40
Tracking positive interruptions 36:00
A level playing field - they all suck so it worked well 37:15
The managers that will breed 38:00
Finding the multiplying factors 38:35
Technical Debt 39:10
Figuring out if we are looking at something meaningful 39:45
What is the mission with respect to data? 40:10
Trying to find the best course of action 40:45
We’re more about removing metrics and detail 41:10
Closing 41:40